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Enneagram events abroad

Postautor: silver_bullet » poniedziałek, 9 grudnia 2013, 13:29

Hi
Does anybody know, has anybody encountered Enneagram events or social networks across the globe?

I'm based in Ireland myself and have found some of them, but whenever I tried to attend the conference on Enneagram instincts I was sort of brutaly declined questioning the level of my knowledge. Based on that I presume it's an academical society, more or less.

Any experiences on the 9 types across the globe?
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Re: Enneagram events abroad

Postautor: Venus w Raku » poniedziałek, 9 grudnia 2013, 23:53

Enneagram people are not an academic society. They may call themselves professionals, but they are not. They simply mixed and matched some of Theodore Millon's (the author of textbooks for students of psychology in usa) 15-teen psychological types and 90 models of personality into the system they called Enneagram. Most people has no idea about modern psychology and Enneagram is for them the "aha moment".

I was not aware that Enneagram teachers' egos grew so big that they gave themselves status of academics and professionals. They refuse common people to let them to participate in their event because they question the level of knowledge the "average enthusiast" of Enneagram has. What knowledge should one have to participate in these events? PhD in Enneagram?
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Postautor: silver_bullet » wtorek, 10 grudnia 2013, 13:41

+1
It seems that their head needs a head. :roll:
Just to add, after a month or so I was invited by the same person to a costy conference of "introduction to enneagram" covering things you learn in a week of reading the book and self-discovery.
Now who would I be not to whine a bit on being ceclined things I really like, like simple pleasurable knowledge-gaining activities. The animal within feels like this is an attempt on his freedom :lol: Raaaawwwwrr...

On the other hand... Thad PhD on Enneagram... You wouldn't imagine how much can a simple few hours lecture on enneagram cost. In here it was over a hundred euro.

-- Wt gru 10, 2013 15:01 --

About that PhD - please excuse me.
It seems that there's a whole certification path on becoming an Enneagram specialist.
http://enneagram-europe.com/

-- Wt gru 10, 2013 15:31 --

There's room in the network for Poland

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/network.asp
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Postautor: Venus w Raku » czwartek, 12 grudnia 2013, 02:43

silver_bullet pisze:It seems that there's a whole certification path on becoming an Enneagram specialist.
Yes, but only when you want to be associated with some school. They operate on getting believers. They say there are more con-men, sociopaths and psychopats in religion and spirituality than in any other profession. They needs believers who think that their guides/gurus have a power over them to cure any hardship and evil in their lives. Imposible... but it is also true that other people can make us feel good about ourselves if we believe in them and what they do, and what they say.

Anyway, I don't see any laws (exept copyrights) that forbid preaching the Enneagram to the people without being certified by one of many Enngaram institutes or schools. Invent your own school (if you wish). Simply, don't mention or quote from Naranjo, Riso & Hudson, Palmer and others well known and certified authors and specialist in the Enneagram and you're fine. Put everything in your own words. Give your own twist. Nobody needs the approval of the Catholic Church in Vatican to preach Chistianity or establish his own church based on the faith in God and his son Jesus. Right? But even in business. There are probably thousands of companies who do the same... example cosmetics. They simple do the same but they don't copy exactly a formula of ther competition. They add something extra or remove something from the given formula and it is not the same anymore.
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Postautor: silver_bullet » czwartek, 12 grudnia 2013, 11:47

Tell people stuff to make them feel better, turn them into minions, and still remain on The Good Side of The Force? Check!

Obrazek

To put the joke aside, it seems that this is only a question of personal awareness to tell the story, and strong morals not to go evil on that. While you know the know-how, and people open up on you on occasion, the line between the good and the bad side is very thin, and often blurry.
You're being tempted. :twisted:
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Postautor: Venus w Raku » czwartek, 12 grudnia 2013, 15:37

Moses went for seven days or so into the mountains and then he brought the ten commandments of God to his people - if they needed it or not. He said: "God gave me these tables and these rules, and you have to obey him". The rules he carved himsef. The God's rules were his rules. He used manipulation and used God as his authority. But because people believed that God gave Moses the power and the tables, so he became the ruler of the people. Wondeful story about power.

Yet, now when we don't beelevie in Good so strongly, our rulers forget so ofte that their main purpose is to serve the people, and to make people feel good about themselves. Even if it is only an illusion. Rulers and powerfull people don't think that everthing they do is about the people. They think that what they do is about themselves. Big mistake!

So rulers of the Enneagram, they think that they are Moseses. But they are not. Not for me anyway, because I know how faith works. I know this because of the story of Moses. And Moses is the ultimate father of manipulation and illusion. But the modern Ennaeagram was carved by someone and I think it was Claudio Naranjo (although he wasn't and isn't manipulator... and then group joined (Riso & Hudson and Palmer) and Naranjo didin't care that they used his ideas, but for me Naranjo was the fist who put the concept of Enneagram as we know it now.
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Postautor: silver_bullet » piątek, 13 grudnia 2013, 15:08

I've conducted a few social and personal experiments on faith, willpower, and belief. But that's for a separate topic.

Having lots of minions creates an illusion of power. A dangerous drug, as it feels good all the time, and one is able to do a lot of various thins to keep his minions obedient.

One of my favourite quotes, by Yoda (:lol:) but I think it can be found in some buddhist scriptures as well
"Learn yourself to let go of everything you fear to loose".
and the following
"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.
As odd it may sound to quote Star Wars characters, the question itself is a good one. How do you feel about loosing something that you care for? Like power!
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Postautor: maria9 » niedziela, 11 stycznia 2015, 14:12

I think ,Enneagram can be used as any other idea for brain washing -- without special danger of course,for us.

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Postautor: silver_bullet » poniedziałek, 12 stycznia 2015, 14:38

Well, if you are to brainwash yourself, do it with both style and proper knowledge.
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Postautor: maria9 » wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015, 12:06

Thanks,You are right. I do it.

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Postautor: silver_bullet » wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015, 13:03

You're from Krakow and yet speaking in English?
Most people that are unaware of themselves live their lives in a dream, sometimes all life long. You may be constantly fooling yourself without even knowing it. Or feeling bad about yourself and again, not knowing why. Or feeling angry, or lost, again, not knowing why.
When it goes for me it's good to know, be aware of, what I'm doing, why, and what's my best and least capability.
We're fooling ourselves through our entire life. Best know on what.
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Postautor: maria9 » wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015, 22:48

I am sorry, I believe this maybe Your problem not mine.

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Postautor: silver_bullet » wtorek, 20 stycznia 2015, 18:25

You see it as a problem? I mean knowledge?
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